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Exploring the Sonic Journey of The 2nd System: Music, Mysticism, and Connection

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On this sonic journey, you're coming along with us as we delve deep into the heart of a band that's carved a unique path in the music industry. The 2nd System, a refuge for the one-of-a-kind souls, reveals the intriguing stories and experiences that have shaped their music, performance, and persona. From their formation to the unexpected twists that have defined their sound, get ready to uncover the intricate dynamics of a band that thrives on diversity, natural energy, and the influences of the extraordinary realm.

Join us as we traverse their creative process, how they evolved from metal to a fusion of genres, and the emotional connection that brings their music to life. Hear firsthand the tales of the band’s live performances, their brush with stage fright, and their heartfelt appreciation for each other. The 2nd System takes us back in time, recollecting their memorable gig opening for Saliva in the Red Room, the creation of their first music video, and the charming origin of their band name.

Reflect with us on the beautiful impact The 2nd System has made on its fans, the respect they've garnered, and the authenticity they uphold. The band shares their perspectives on the profound influence of natural vibrations, their commitment to sobriety, and the warmth of rekindling connections with old friends. Don’t miss out on this immersive conversation that serves as a testament to the band's resilience and dedication, painting a vivid picture of their journey. Tune in for an exploration of music, band dynamics, and the shared human experience that resonates with The 2nd System.

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Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Only on the move on the map, never slip. Keep your hands to your lips, don't talk about it. Real eyes, realize, realize all the time. Stand on it. If we set it when walk around it, lose lips. Ain't ships. Red cup, blue strips, new phone, who this? No, we don't allow it. Really, on, go. I don't know what's the off day now we on roll. Keep on smoking in the hallway. Now we got shows. Boys falling like Broadway. Always look both ways, even on the crossway Driving down cross bay. Our town park legs really on. Big teams came up a small way. Championship rings. Baby, that's a ball game. Oh, she won a little bag. Maybe that's small change. Yeah, that money talk. If we ain't cool, then cut me off. No breaking news. Don't run your mouth. Thought it was the plug. Now he running off. What you gonna do? Where you at who you way? You ain't really bout this. Don't talk about it. Really. On the move on the map. Never slip. Keep your hands to your lips, don't talk about it. Real eyes, realize, realize.

Speaker 3:

Me. Everything good. What's popping? Everybody, welcome into the Dan Leveley show. Thank you for clicking that play button and thank you for watching live. All you live people out there. Leave a comment in the, in the description below or in the live stream and we'll pop it up on the screen, make you part of the show. But today we do have a special guest. Oh, we do have the second system from Saginaw, michigan, coming in. We have troll and Derek coming in to promote their band and some shows. They got coming up and I would like to introduce them. But when the when the people send you a pretty much a promo video that does your job for you, you, even you, must do that. So here you go, enjoy this video real quick.

Speaker 1:

I'm Don and we are the second system.

Speaker 4:

The second system, it's somewhere to go when nobody else wants you. We were all a group of outcast that don't fit anywhere else, but here you got somebody that's always left out, people who were ostracized, and so what I wanted to create was somewhere when people who didn't fit in anywhere had somewhere to go. We got together, just started writing music together things just happened from there.

Speaker 2:

Magic. I'm Don. I'm the one-armed guitarist. I have a left-handed guitar, but I flip the strings upside down because that's how I play.

Speaker 4:

This guy walks up to me like hey man, I hear you guys looking for a guitar player and I was like look down at his arm and see me like missing some shit. I'm like why do you know one?

Speaker 2:

My mother used to work for a dentist office. Did a lot of x-rays, of that radiation, actually stopped the growth of my arm?

Speaker 4:

This dude called me every day for two weeks going when are you guys practicing? When are you guys practicing? Then, finally, one day I was like you know what? Okay, let's bring him out and actually see if you can jam.

Speaker 5:

So yeah, this is my job. It sucks.

Speaker 4:

Here I am pulling off that chicken within. At night the lights come up screaming my name.

Speaker 5:

That's the built-up. Every day tension, every day problems and release.

Speaker 4:

Before and after I get on stage, I'm a nervous wreck. Hearing that there was 2,000 people Filling the state theater was enough to make me want to be sure that link.

Speaker 1:

Well, you should link.

Speaker 4:

The one that I sent to you. Any place we play, make sure you got a bucket for me. If we had a million dollars, we could do it be able to record all our CDs and have them sound as professional as the big boys. I would buy just about all of these we would give you the best.

Speaker 2:

There's no such thing as working 200.

Speaker 4:

We're professional. We got to step it up a notch man. Things got to be on the deal most in our ass, until we drive ourselves into the ground when you're down you just keep trying.

Speaker 5:

I'm still laid on my rent and all that kind of shit we don't even have a vehicle large enough to actually transport our gear. This guy has lost his house. This guy's about to lose his house. This guy lost his job.

Speaker 4:

If we make this happen, then we won't have to worry about it. Second system is somewhere where you can have something that you can do. This about total freedom, your life baby Well.

Speaker 3:

Ladies and gentlemen, second system we got troll and Derek in in the house. You like how we just bring it up guys, right, this is a video. Like it, right this is a video right, all the guys are on the screen. It's like magic.

Speaker 5:

Well, I want to start off by saying I don't cut fat off chicken. No moat, at least not less, is my own kitchen. It's thanks, no, no, no, I'm glad that there are people that still do it. I'm still glad that there are still people that do it. Don't get me wrong, but man, I remember that job. I hadn't thought about that job, and so it's so long.

Speaker 1:

And uh, yeah, like seeing that video.

Speaker 5:

All of a sudden it's like, oh yeah, Fucking that job's.

Speaker 3:

It was dumb.

Speaker 4:

That whole time period was uh trivial. Yeah but uh, but it was, but it was, it was, it was good, it was our heyday and uh, we were doing a lot of things and we were younger and uh, the world was at our feet. You know, it seemed like uh, so we were, we were given a lot of opportunities that we didn't expect and, uh, we were lucky in a lot of ways and a lot of ways we, we worked hard for it and earned it, you know.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, exactly for real, but yeah, but before we get into all this, everything, um, go ahead and introduce yourself to the people out there who don't know who you are. Let's start. Start with the guy on the top left, my top left, all right. All right, I don't know.

Speaker 5:

I'm troll. Hi, hi everybody, I'm troll. Um, I'm the, the vocalist. I wouldn't call myself a singer. I like I used to say I can't carry a tune with a wheelbarrow, but uh, but, uh, I'll jump around and and entertain. I'm an entertainer or, uh, a mascot. You know, I'm the screamer. Uh, I do the, the hard vocals for it when we have Pat Brennan who comes in with a much clearer, prettier sound there okay.

Speaker 4:

More traditional singing. Let's the troll's selling himself short there. You know he's uh, he's got vocal talents that you know other people don't have. You know Local talents come in in different forms and stuff and that guy can do some things that you know other people can't do. So you know, nice, try being humble there, but you know Anybody who's knows that he can carry his own weight.

Speaker 3:

Right, yeah, this is not the place to be humble guys.

Speaker 5:

Well, my mom was, uh, I mean mama, mama raised us, right, you know you, you gotta, you gotta remember where you come from, especially watching that video like that. You know, like we just got man, that's a nice little dose of reality and a reality check of how far we've come Since then, and it is a good slice of humble pie and, man, I gotta say it tastes delicious. Being a farther up that hill then that it was Back then, so that's all I'm saying. But anyway, who the hell are you?

Speaker 5:

down there at the bottom screen.

Speaker 4:

Oh, I don't even know anymore of these days. You know, ladies?

Speaker 5:

and gentlemen, please stand by and let me introduce Derek, founding member of second system, I'm glad to say, because I know he's gonna sit there and do the whole soul. Same humble pie thing. You guys that don't know, we are brothers. This is my older brother. He was the first guy to go. You know what man I think I want to start a band. Let me go find some folks. And that's how second system started Was from him going Shit. I just got out of the woods in North Carolina. Look at all these pretty lights here in michigan. Man, I'm gonna go make me some sounds, and that's pretty much where that's. That's how second system was born, let's all be honest. And he went and found the biggest Hodgepodge, a fucking, a collective mother fuckers that he could, and put them all together in a blender and it just kind of worked Nice.

Speaker 5:

Nice there you go.

Speaker 3:

Francis, francis, tuning in from Ghana, thank you.

Speaker 4:

Thank you for tuning in all the way from Africa, right, hi Francis. Thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 3:

Yep, see, we get. We get people from all All around the world around here. Like you never, you never know who's gonna watch. It's great. But I, to go back to that video, I like, I I do like watching Um to come up, as people would like to call it, like people don't realize that there's a whole different side to someone. Besides, before they were, you know, before they were famous, or before they were making records, or before everyone knew who the fuck they were. Like what? I like that. I like that part. Where were you guys just tuned in? You? You brought the camera into your job. You're like this is what I do for and that was.

Speaker 5:

That was a lot of fun because, um, so that whole thing was, um, a tv show that they were trying to do, basically like an american idol, so version kind of thing. You know, like american idol was getting big. These, uh, other tv shows were starting to come out right then. So this company out of canada called bow dog, um, which was mostly into online gambling, they're like, well, let's make another investment, let's go fund this tv show. And they had, like, the producer from one of the bernie max series, um, he was the, the, the stage producer. Once we got to that level, because there were a bunch of different levels of man, they had cameras and at our shows, for what? Derrick, three months, yeah, three months you gotta give or take work.

Speaker 5:

Once we got involved and once we reached a certain level in this uh show, we had to sign contracts that took hours of sitting around and reading and we we didn't understand this jargon. So we got a hold of a good friend of ours shanwally, um named her up there Thanks to a lot of things that guy's done for us, but anyway he sat there for like what, derrick, six hours.

Speaker 4:

Uh, I'll make something like that a good, good, good, good part of that for somewhere between four and six.

Speaker 4:

You know, we all said that you're like a group pow wow in my house at the time and, uh, we all just sat there and peeled through a contract it was this thick, you know, of just making sure we knew what we were getting into and stuff and one of the only things that we really didn't like was anything that we played On the show now belong to them. So we had to. We made the conscious decision to alter Certain songs that we played during this televised part of the competition so that we still retained the rights to our original music as it was and not the versions that they got while we played live. And uh, like like troll was saying they were trying to do like an american idol thing. So we did this with, uh, johnny rotten sitting in the simon cowl scare, you know, okay, and so, and uh, the guitar player from the cult was there too. Do you think it was billy, something billy? And then a canadian pop rock star named biff, naked.

Speaker 3:

Um, okay.

Speaker 4:

So that broke the shake, yeah, and it was. It was really cool because, uh, when the cameras were off and everybody was all cool and just being like, you know, we're all a bunch of musicians and this thing doing a gig, right, we're all just kind of talking like that. And then, as soon as cameras come on, you start seeing these personas come out of these people that you, that you read about. You know, johnny rotten, off camera, is just as cool as you or I and troll sitting here talking, but as soon as the cameras come on, all of a sudden he becomes a dick. He's a british dick and it's uh, yeah, yeah and it's like wow, hold up, that there was just talking to us over there.

Speaker 5:

You know, that's that character he plays and he plays that character well you know, right, it was. It was a good experience. I, I, I side know I've heard rumor that. Uh, I don't. I haven't checked into the validity of this d either. One of you know the truth is Uh, larry the cable guy, is he one of those people? Is the whole thing that he does on stage completely fucking, you know? Like just a character he fucking plays probably?

Speaker 3:

yeah, for sure it's, that's for sure persona. Every fucking day no, no.

Speaker 5:

No, I don't mean all right. I completely know that he takes it to an extreme, but I get the feeling that the motherfucker doesn't even have a country accent no, I'm pretty sure he doesn't if he does, it's nowhere near that thick right.

Speaker 3:

I know he's from down south, but I don't think he's from like down south where like Jeff Foxworthy is from, and yeah.

Speaker 4:

I see, when Jeff Foxworthy was gaining popularity, I was a teenager in North Carolina and everybody was listening to his cassette tapes, you know. And back then, before he had, before he was famous and everything, they were passing around mix tapes of him performing and stuff and yeah, he was definitely the truest redneck of the whole blue collar comedy team. You know what he were. We're raised in North Carolina, samson County, north Carolina. Shut out anybody down there that's tuning in. But uh, yeah, that's where we came from. So it was same town as Earl Strickland, the world one time world nine ball champion. So we got to meet a bunch of different kinds of people down there coming and going in small ass town but everybody wanted to go somewhere else bigger and do something different, and everybody got their chance in one way or another, or they didn't, you know.

Speaker 3:

So so what? So how did the second system become the second system? Like who? Who thought this out? Who got the people together and how? And what came up with the idea you just decided.

Speaker 5:

I'm just.

Speaker 5:

I'm in one of the I guess, uh, last members of it, um, probably the first, uh. I'm the first second generation of second system because there have been many members replaced um, but the core members were four people and I'm gonna let Derek take that over. Um. They ended up adding uh, another later on adding another screamer guy, um, and it didn't work out there, so they ended up.

Speaker 5:

I showed up at a practice one day visiting um, and the drummer at the time is like man, you should let your little brothers get on a microphone and sing and as a joke, they did, and it did a half ass version of a song and it was a local by a coal chamber that they're like the rest of the guys. Like you should let him do it. For now on, you should let Derek's reluctance go. Fuck man, I don't want my little brother and stuff to cool that I'm doing. Ah, damn it. All right, fine, but I'll let Derek explain to you the birth of second system, where it started and how they became well, um, I was, uh, when I was growing up in North Carolina.

Speaker 4:

I always had a couple of riffs that I always was tooling around with songs with, and then ended up moving to Florida and carrying and trying to do something there, left Jacksonville and moved up to Saginaw to be around some family. And, uh, when I was walking around Saginaw I ran across this bar called Wise Guys and they always had open mic night on Wednesday nights and uh, technically it worked let's get in there until you were 21.

Speaker 4:

But I started sneaking in the back door and watching the band's play and getting to know some of the musicians. And I ran across this band called Holding Seven Down and uh, matt Patrick Brennan, and uh, I was like hey man, you know, when we jumped on stage we played a couple songs together. You know everybody was just doing covers back then just to jam with each other on open mic, you know, for no reason. And uh, and I was like hey man, you know, are you interested in doing a different, another band, you know, or at least pointing me in the right direction to find some guys? And he's like, well, my band's fixin' to break up, we just played our last show, so what do you want to do?

Speaker 4:

So me and him met up a couple of times. We talked about some things, we tossed around some ideas and stuff and what kind of direction we wanted to go and, more than anything, we wanted to provide a positive light through our music, without trying too hard, you know, just being as natural as we could be. And the only way to really do that is accept ourselves, accept everybody else for how they come out of the box, you know what I mean and then and find a way to uh to groove around that and things like that. So we started trying jamming with different musicians and trying to see how it fell naturally together and I met Jack Masters, our original drummer, and uh introduced him to Pat and the two of them completely clashed on creative and um personality styles but somehow found a common groove with uh, with me as a middle man I guess. And then we found we brought in Pat's old bass player from Holding Something Down, jeff Shaw.

Speaker 5:

Jack was a lot more raw, like a more pantera iron maiden feel, and then you've got Pat. Or yeah, jack was more, uh, iron maiden, pantera feel where you. Then you've got Pat Brennan walking in here with this real flamboyant makeup on and you can't really tell if he wants to be a transvestite, if he's gay. But the motherfucker pulls more women than I don't know. George Clooney, you know what I mean he's got that Prince thing going on yeah, yeah, exactly, it's very reminiscent of a Prince vibe.

Speaker 5:

Prince David, that's what it means when he says there's a clash there. And you know like it's like whoa, you wouldn't imagine these two dudes sitting or sitting beside each other to party, much less show up at the party together. But right, I'd be enough, they really did. You know, there was a um, I would say magic there's with with a lot of members in the second system. It's almost comparable to the energy of each one of those people in the wizardry, the. The magic that they were able to produce is what's been able to make that second system sound. So that's why it's seemed like a hodge podge of people, because it's oddly been people that you wouldn't imagine would get along. You know, like most of the time it's like oh, we gotta ban the sounds like this. Well, they all kind of listen to the same kind of music. Well, no, and second system, it's more like they're all kind of different from each other when you sit there and really look at them.

Speaker 5:

But I don't know I just some reason just kind of made it work.

Speaker 4:

I believe I think with the way that I tried to approach things was I always tried to make sure the members in the band when it came to writing and performing and stuff like that and brought out their best and also wanted to bring out their best. You know I didn't want anybody to feel forced although everybody was open minded.

Speaker 5:

Every person that has been in second system, I will say, is an open minded person and willing to accept and and change, either tweak themselves a little bit or, you know, I really get into that.

Speaker 4:

I wouldn't say necessarily change, but evolve. They evolved and grew together in ways they didn't think possible. So they found parts of themselves that was able to write music and perform in a way that brought out their true selves, and I think it made the music a little bit more genuine than your typical band that would come out and try to be pretentious or try to sound like this band, or you know what I mean. We didn't have a goal. Art wasn't the goal.

Speaker 4:

It just turned out to be that way, you know so, yeah, we had a lot of magic that happened from what we ended up calling happy accidents. You know so we always, at one point we tuned in and said you know what? It's the universe giving us a gift and we got to be grateful for it and take it as it is and not try to control it or change it too much. And we start doing that. You start getting stressed out, you start, you know, having issues and this came along.

Speaker 5:

I agree there's some of our best songs that are even my favorite songs, cause I mean, every band plays. You know, you play certain songs so much you fucking get sick of them. But there are certain songs that I still, when we're able to play it, it feels so like they sound so good and there's so much fun to fucking play and it hits man. That shit hits bro. Are all the songs that we just showed up. Everybody plugs in, somebody just starts playing something and somebody else just kind of felt that vibe and they just you know, it wasn't something that was planned, it was something that just fucking happened.

Speaker 5:

It's almost like making soup. Everybody showed up that day and had a particular ingredient that they threw into the pot and that shit mixed up and it was just like when we got done doing it was like we got breathed and you look at each other like man, that was good. It's like good sex or something that just kind of came out of nowhere. It was spontaneous. It was like, okay, let's try to, let's do that again but we're gonna film it yeah, and those songs are.

Speaker 3:

I feel like those songs I feel are my favorite songs and some of the fans favorite songs like I know, I know both you guys personally and it seems like because, like, as like in an everyday life, trolls pretty laid back. Derek, you're the same way. You guys are pretty laid back, you know, and just normal people. But when you guys get on stage is like something just like over, just like Dr Jack will, mr Hyde is just like you know, and then you guys just like become different people. I'm just like you guys, fucking rock. But yeah, it's like I like the transformation from normal person to rock out and rip your heart out, type shit, you know thanks, dude.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, it definitely is something that happens there. Once that song starts and it becomes a feeling that does take over the performance, comes out of whatever emotion it really does invoke in me at least me personally and I feel like I can say that that's a lot. To do the same with each one of the other members of this band is that that particular song invokes a particular emotion and or response. Almost like you know any other animal in the animal kingdom, you know that they are presented with a situation or sound and it provokes a particular response. And whenever those songs were created, for some reason that energy was captured and bottled into that song, almost like in a timeless energy to where later on, when we're doing whatever, like show up half ass asleep, drunk, hungover, or, you know, just not feeling a headache, but that song will start and as long as everybody's playing their part and it plays the right way. It's almost like riding a bike or just a natural response to do that, to have those emotions just pour out. The. You know the the almost dancing, if you will, not even a dancer, whatever. It's just whatever it's got them, it just I'm just by the. I feel it. Hallelujah. You know, almost. You know, it's almost like me and Derek were raised Pentecostal. For a while we were in a Pentecostal church and I did everything I could to get invoked by the spirit. I watch these people get invoked by the spirit and start speaking in tongues and they can't control themselves and they just start running and running around a place.

Speaker 5:

For me, I get that feeling when I'm playing that music with this particular band and only in that moment I did have a good project, I had a good substitute. If you will, I hate to say that hurt real hard because, all for the cause, another band that I did did in our own rights. We, we fucking kicked ass me and those three other dudes. Those three dudes are badass and we had a fucking dope ass thing going on there. But the feeling the second system has, that emotion like we could be in a goddamn fist fight knock down, drag out. I fucking don't give a shit about you. Put that shit at the door, show up at the show, get on stage, play those songs and it's just yeah, you know, and it In that moment of those, however long that song takes, all that shit doesn't matter, because that energy that we for some reason bottled up into that song when we wrote it is able to just come out of us, and by coming out of us I feel like it's infectious to other people.

Speaker 1:

I.

Speaker 4:

Feel like what troll is touching on and talking about. Is that natural? You got to kind of let it take over. You know most bands or some band. We've both had the fortunate Opportunities to play with other musicians and other bands and see how other things operate and also be in control of those bands. I mean trolls talking about all for the cause. He got the chance to be the leader of his band and again control the certain aspects that he wanted to and learn his way and Understand certain things and I was. I've also been in other bands and the most successful Songs and performances are when I'm playing with musicians and people who are able to just Release their control to the universe and just kind of let it Run you. You know what I mean. Yeah, you know autopilot. It feels like autopilot.

Speaker 5:

It's like you don't even have control.

Speaker 4:

You got to find a balance, though. If you let it release too much, you're not in control of anything, and then you know you're sloppy. So you got to make sure you're responsible and do your part, but then let the universe handle the rest of it. And I tell you what man, that kind of magic comes from the earth, the natural vibration, and we just we just said to science that we as humans haven't even tapped into yet. You know.

Speaker 5:

So mushrooms will definitely enhance that Couple of mushroom trips that we have had. Look, we took some mushrooms and did a show one time. There was what three of us that did those fucking mushrooms that had those perfect little red. I never seen these things, man. They look like something from Super Mario Brothers. And one of the rappers that we were doing the show with at James Town Hall oh man, they're just perfect red caps with these little white spots on them and it made me go.

Speaker 5:

I don't know, man, that looks like a fucking something out of a fucking you know a National Geographic magazine. I don't know if we're supposed to eat those because they don't look nothing like the other mushrooms I've ever taken before to get high. You know, it's a rich that level. But, man, we took those things and I feel like that performance Was one of my favorite, if not one of the best, energy push fucking performances We've ever had. It was on a Halloween, the. We blew the power out right there in the middle of first song, still pulled it Like, damn near had a riot on our hand because there's like what almost a hundred kids pecked into this fucking room, you know.

Speaker 4:

I don't anybody, right?

Speaker 5:

Yeah, yeah, there was more people than that, but there was. That's a minute. You know this. This room is a small church for anybody. It's never been there like a small one old school, one room, church, and and it was just the energy in that broom that night was just amazing. So, yes, mushrooms on stage who? I took some mushrooms one time when I was playing with sport too, and that was a really dope ass show. I fucking ended the show with my pants around my ankles, jumping around the motherfucking place.

Speaker 3:

Oh boy, but it's almost like. It's like a like Lenny Kravitz when he took LSD, when he was playing music. It's like when he took out, when he like had like five hits.

Speaker 5:

Jimi. Hendrix, you said Lenny Kravitz Jimmy.

Speaker 3:

Lenny Kravitz, jimmy Hendrix, not Lenny.

Speaker 5:

Kravitz.

Speaker 3:

I doubt he took Aston ever maybe. But yeah, he would just like, he'd like put like acid, like five strips of acid in under his headband and just Going out and just play, you know, and some of those recordings.

Speaker 5:

You could see it. You could see that emotion, that feeling. He was fucking, he was in that place.

Speaker 4:

Well, jimmy Hendrix, I think, was part alien, you know that's. I mean, I have this whole that. I've been going on. You know well, troll and I are Native Americans and we've been. I've been discovering these, these old or these theories, these new theories that are tying in some of the old traditional stories and stuff into and extraterrestrial beings and how they're finding a link, you know, with other.

Speaker 4:

Religions and things like that and I really believe that there are some people who are on this earth that that are actual hybrids of you know, extraterrestrial beings not not to the degree that we think of as aliens, with little gray people with you know, I mean, but I mean the maybe they were.

Speaker 5:

Maybe, maybe they fucking are a little gray people.

Speaker 4:

Well, maybe they are, but maybe they're not. Maybe they're, you know, like the angels that everybody talks about, you know, coming in fiery flames of Stuff. You know they could be discussing a Flying or describing a flying UFO. Based off of what these old folks were, these older, what societies back in the day, you know, old centuries ago we're trying to describe, you know, and then we got these hybrid people, jimmy Hendricks. His fingers were extremely long and the guy played in a way that no human at that time had experienced.

Speaker 4:

You know, lenny, let me let me killmeister, the singer-based player from Motorhead. You know the guy that people say is God right? This guy used to Be a roadie for Jimmy Hendricks and was a guitar player. And somebody asked him did you learn anything about guitar playing from Jimmy Hendricks While you were his roadie? And he said, yeah, I learned that I should switch to bass and he did and he became a mean let me killmeister. You know who he is and legacy separate from that in his way, in his own way. But there were people who knew Jimmy and other people in history like that and they were like, listen, man, that individual has something that nobody else has and I don't know how they got it, but I wish I had it. But All we can do is try, you know, and that's, that's that's. I think there are some people that are just naturally gifted in ways that the rest of us have to work hard for, and Hendricks now I don't know man, I could get lost on the whole alien thing.

Speaker 3:

Don't, don't, let me yeah, we we might have to have you on our, on our new podcast. That's. That's about the drop. I'm gonna, I'm gonna drop, I'm gonna drop an ad real quick.

Speaker 4:

Oh.

Speaker 3:

About the drop called Illuminati ice cream.

Speaker 5:

Hey, right, there you're. You're hitting the fucking head on the nail on the head with the fucking second system.

Speaker 4:

What, what we're yeah yeah, the power is three man. The third eye, it's just, it's all right here, it's in our bodies, we all have it. We just got to find a way to tap into it. And that's what we try to do is teach people to learn enough about themselves to where they're accepting themselves as they come, so they could discover who they could grow to be, their full Potential as a human being. That's locked inside. You know, they're pineal gland, you know that's deep inside the brain. You know that's. That's our communication to the, the universe, and we don't realize it yet. We haven't just nobody's discovered that science yet, because it's not the science you can measure and weigh and write down, like you know Gravity, you know what I'm saying is just, there's a whole realm out there of functioning Stuff that runs this universe. We don't understand yet, but it makes the magic happen, you know.

Speaker 4:

And everybody says where does this little source of life come from? You can't touch it, it's, that's there. It's just there, it's just everywhere, it's, it's it, we're all part of it. Man, that's, it's, that's a name, it and and try to, you know, categorize it the way everybody does. It's just, it's futile man, just accept it as it is, accept you as you are and and elevate in the way You're supposed to naturally grow. The more you control try to control how you were supposed to grow as an individual, the less you're gonna pull yourself away from where you're supposed to be your full potential as an individual. You know you got to find a balance between giving yourself up to the universe and letting it just be.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's like. That's why Nikola Tesla is like one of my heroes. Oh man I just got discovered wireless electricity, like in the night, in like 1920, and we still haven't figured it out how to do it yet. I mean, this guy discovered and invented over 700. He has over 700 US patents before his death and we died when he died of a massive heart attack, the CIA and FBI came right in all his shit and Brings.

Speaker 3:

But so I'm just saying there's some stuff out there the government knows about Brings, but we're gonna get into that. On the other podcast that's where.

Speaker 4:

That's where it actually belongs. But a lot of our music type tries tried to tie into a lot of that stuff. And what I've discovered by going back and listening to some of our old recordings and stuff, our old music, our old lyrics we were accidentally falling on a Lot of the stuff that we're just now realizing as as adults, that I was like wow, wait, we were really onto something and we were talking about something that's completely relevant, whether we realized it or not. You know the you start pairing up the lyrics between Pat and troll and the way they were. If you read them, just by themselves, just Pat stuff you're like that I don't know if that makes sense. And the stuff by just troll by himself, it don't make sense. But you put that stuff together and start thinking about how it relates to your life and you know how things are. You start going, wow, those two made sense together, whether they realized it or not. It was like a happy accident that I'm only now discovering.

Speaker 4:

That's how we wrote relevant, and I'm sure the same is true for troll.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, that's how we wrote the song just stops Like it literally is exactly what he just spit it out on the paper and then went back and looked at it.

Speaker 4:

I was like, wow, that's fucking brilliant.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we do have a video from live performance that you guys did. You guys want to like bring us into the intro on that, like, like, where? Are we guys playing at for here oh. I think, I think the one if you got the red room, yeah, the red room.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, the red room open it up for saliva, oh that drummer.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, that drummer is Tyler Johnson. He's not with us anymore, but well, I mean like he does not jam in with us anymore. I mean, it's not like he was dead or nothing like that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's just, he's not able to hear. He's not able to jam with us anymore. But we've got Dorian Chandler and fun story about. Dorian Chandler is son of the man who recorded the first second system CD ever. Second, actually, second, okay, the second one.

Speaker 4:

Our first CD was done by Tori LeFrance. Tori LeFrance.

Speaker 5:

That's right.

Speaker 4:

But Randy Chandler was involved in the production of that and he came in and laid a solo on one of our songs on our first album before Troll joined us, and so Dorian was a child like in diapers while we were recording the first couple of albums that he's now playing songs on, and so it was like one of those things where me and his dad would always joke throughout the years. You know, dorian's going to be your drummer one day and I was like, yeah, okay, this five year old is playing the white stripes, like with no in a pocket, and I'm like that's the white stripes, though it's not really what you know, the what we're doing. But now I mean, this kid is really working. He's making his dad's legacy proud. He's making Saginaw proud. You know he's out there, he's playing drums with anybody he can and he's doing great. Now he's, he's, he's, he's an amazing kid man and he's. He's got a lot of his dad in him and a lot of his own that he's bringing to the table to make himself, you know, an even better musician and human being.

Speaker 4:

And I appreciate Dorian very much. You know I got the nickname baby from this kid when he was five years old just because he was a little smart mouth kid talking junk to me. He said well, you're just a baby. I said what do you know? You're just a baby. And he's like well, you're just a baby D. And everybody just started laughing and that's my nickname. It stuck for almost 20 years now and I run my DJ business, dj baby D Fisher, you know, based off of you know. So this kid means a lot to us.

Speaker 5:

And Dorian is the drummer on this video that we're about to watch and other than that, there's going to be the same lineup as on this video. But if we were opening up for saliva?

Speaker 4:

if it's the red room video, it's Tyler playing drums. Dorian wasn't with us yet.

Speaker 5:

Right, that's what I just said. Oh, okay, I thought you were saying Dorian was about the same lineup, except for the drummer that we're going to be seeing next week. Put it up for head PE, at the fault.

Speaker 4:

Oh, and we're also. We're also going to have big stubby playing guitar with us this time. Stubby wasn't with us in this performance.

Speaker 5:

Don wasn't there. No, I was going to ask you about as.

Speaker 4:

Don recorded the audio.

Speaker 1:

He was, he was. Oh, my God.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, he recorded the audio for this video. I sure did.

Speaker 5:

All right, that's what we're doing.

Speaker 4:

The show was booked at the red room by Chris Redburn and he gave us the opportunity to play with Redburn and saliva and you know we did good it was. It was a great show that was fun.

Speaker 3:

It was, yes, it was. It was a great performance, but now it's time to share it for the world. So everyone pack another bowl, you know, get comfy. We're not done yet, so enjoy the show.

Speaker 5:

Oh shit man.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I could do it. I could do it. It's a white man, it's a white man. It's a white man. It's a white man. It's a white man. It's a white man. That's it. Yeah, this is the world. It's all you, white man. This makes things come to me. You're like that.

Speaker 1:

I'm so excited for my new world, but she has such a different fate. We're never gonna come For the infrastructure Of drinking in the air. I'm not the one who's all over the time. I can't hide. Don't be about to see me have a ride. It's not quite. Yeah, it's a white man. It's a white man. Yeah, it's a white man. It's a white man. It's a white man. It's a white man. It's not quite. I don't know why, but sometimes we could lie. Oh, I'm blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind. So well, it is a prototype Of my life Things and things and talks and actions like this. Yeah, probably shouldn't wonder it, but it has such a different fate we're never gonna come For the infrastructure Of drinking in the air. I'm not the one who's all over the time. I can't hide. Don't be about to see me have a ride. It's not quite. Yeah, it's a white man, it's a white man, it's a white man. It's a white man, it's a white man, it's a white man, it's a white man.

Speaker 3:

Thank you. Derek is still stepped away, so he'll be back. Oh, there he is.

Speaker 5:

I want to point out the fact that, you see, at the end of that video, I was sitting there Twiddling my fucking cable Because, like that last two or three screams, I realized that, oh shit, my cable came out, which is why I always give it at least one fucking wrap around Nowadays. Nope, don't wrap your fucking cable, since cable Fine, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna twist it, but I'm giving it one wrap around. Okay, I just want to make sure.

Speaker 4:

I have at least one reach around.

Speaker 3:

I was watching that and I saw that and I was just like, was his mic unplugged the entire time Because it didn't sound like it?

Speaker 4:

I was like, holy shit, no, no no, I just unplugged right at the end there.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, yeah, just that very, very last one.

Speaker 4:

And that was a good show. That was cool. It was inside the Dowell Vent Center, you know, in the red room, a big room. Once again, thanks to Chris Redburn for hooking that up for us and sharing that bill with us. It was the first time we got put on a billboard and we got to have our logo flying In our hometown. You know, the second system was playing At the Dowell Vent Center, in the red room, and it was a really cool thing. You know, we've gotten looking back at that video and thinking about All the stuff that we've gotten to do. That I never thought possible when I first started the band.

Speaker 1:

You know all like.

Speaker 4:

My first concert, real concert, was Oswest 97. You know, the first tour that they did. And I experienced Cold Chamber live Before I ever heard their music on album or anything. And I'm not going to lie, I was 16 and I was tripping acid, you know. So that whole day was so Serial, surreal for me. But I was talking, I met the guys from Cold Chamber Before they were famous or anything and we burned a joint and I got to hang out With some people that were on the level that we are now, back then and I just kind of Realized what I wanted to do With my music and I didn't really care about Becoming rich and famous or the money you know, I just wanted to play shows like that and share that kind of energy the way they did. You know, and realize At that time it only cost 10 grand to buy on to Oswest for these guys, you know. And now, if Oswest was to do it, I mean obviously it cost way, much, way more.

Speaker 4:

But at the time, you know, when you start thinking about the late 90s and early 2000s, there was so much Metal and hard music that saw a rebirth that it came from so many different avenues and so many different ways Of coming in because everybody was trying To get away from what my kids now call Dad Metal. You know the mega Death, the Metallicas, the stuff that laid the foundation. So we ended up having what Were they called New Metal, you know, and then that label Ended up getting just Stuck on the bands that mixed rap and rock. But what New Metal Really was at the time it was coming out Was New Metal. It was the Cold Chambers, it was the Neurosis, it was the Sepulcheras, you know it was anything in that type of Vain, the Fear Factory. You know the stuff, the metal that Incorporated so many other styles Of music within it that it changed the. You couldn't just say Biohazard, you couldn't just say that's heavy metal Like Biohazard.

Speaker 4:

You know these bands had so many different styles Going on in their mix that it made me want to be like as a musician. I don't want to hate on any kind Of music and prevent me From growing as a musician and using Whatever I can appreciate From a style. If I don't appreciate that Whole style, at least I can incorporate Something into my development as a musician and my songwriting To try and reach more people or reach myself A bit more. You know, why should I put those limitations on? So whenever Second System started out, we didn't really care or focus on who we were going to sound Like or what we were going to sound like. We just wanted to see what happened. And to this day I still get many different people Putting us in many different categories Based off of what they hear. You know, somebody I used to work with Said oh you guys are new metal, you know, because Troll has two or three Parts that sound a little rap-y, so they just went with new metal. But then when you listen to songs like Night Soul and you're like that's not a typical, you know categorized New metal song. You know what I mean it's like. And You've played a couple different songs In the break that had Different members, different Singers and stuff that Brought in different levels Of musicianship To where we weren't hindered.

Speaker 4:

You know, I always wanted to make sure we weren't pigeon-holders stuck in a box. You know, I wanted to be able to make sure that we were able to play what we came up with and what we just did, you know, without having that Limit of like. You know Godsmack. You know anytime Godsmack puts out an album, you expect a certain Type of sound from them and if they don't produce that, you're like, ah, you're gonna let that down. And at the same time you're those, the fans that don't Appreciate that stuff, are hindered From being able to appreciate that Um, I don't want to say Cookie-cutter um format. You know that format of rock when you're always going to be able to expect the same type of thing from that band. You know, I always wanted to keep it interesting and fresh and uh, you know, uh, uh, uh uh, okay, I'll put it to a comparison.

Speaker 5:

Like, we've got the song um, change of Heart, very, very heavy, very, very choppy, and then we've got the song Unseen. That's very, very Soft, very, very slow, very, you know what I mean. So, like and everything in between Like, um, it's just Whatever the fuck. Like I said, it's like a soup, whatever Ingredients each member showed up With at practice that day, and it's the recipes that tasted so damn good. Going down Are the ones that each one of us Remember, enough that when members have come and gone and changed and there has been an odd growth there. But it seems like the um, the mix that we've got that we're about to serve up this weekend or next weekend is the fan favorite, and that's me, pat Derek, and I mean NETRINITY, it's known as NETRINITY these days.

Speaker 5:

Yes, Me, Pat and Derek. As long as those three motherfuckers are there, man, that's awesome. Now, if you can get Don to show up, they're like Woo, Motherfuckers. We got a show and we're really, really looking glad to have Jordan come in there because, man, that's one guy that I've always, always, always enjoyed working with on and off stage. Like me, and that guy just really connect. We understand each other, we get each other. We want the same goal At each point of our lives. Since meeting, me and Jordan have always had the same kind of goal of what we wanted out of music and what we wanted to get from it. So it's been just great meeting that guy and awesome work with him and glad to have him there. He feels now like a core member, you know, because, like I said, there have been many members but Jordan feels like he's always been there.

Speaker 4:

Well, jordan kind of always has been there. You know, one of the things that I can say proudly about this band is that any of the members who have come after the, any new member who's ever come into the fold, always started out as a fan. You know, we never had anybody that joined the band specifically for business reasons or, you know, just because we, you know, we got somebody. There was always somebody who stepped up and said, hey, I want to do that because you guys need a guy and I love the music and I want to do it. So, like when Tyler joined the band, he was underage and we were looking for somebody who was of age to stay in the bars and stuff and we were trying to audition other drummers while he was filling in because he was underage. But he showed up to all the other drummers and his auditions and waxed them you know what I mean On their own kit. These guys would sit down for their audition and play the songs they've been working on.

Speaker 5:

Oh yeah, I remember that day.

Speaker 4:

And then he'd get up and we yeah, we did like a thing we set up like a show where we had public auditions and we had three drummers come out and on all of their own drum kits, this kid sat down and waxed them on songs that he never practiced with us, he just knew by verbatim. And Don was the same way. When Don came into the second system, the lead guitar player, big Stubby, he was a fan of the band. Troll was a fan of our first album, you know, probably mostly because his big brother was in a band, you know at the time, but there was any new member we've ever had was always a fan of the band first. So we've always had that luck.

Speaker 4:

And Jordan I remember when Jordan was a teenager and coming out to the shows at Dingstone Hall and him telling me oh, I'm trying to get a band going, I'm trying to do this, I'm trying to do that. And then we had a rehearsal space next to one of the rehearsal spaces of his band that he was trying to get together with in, and we went over there and hung out with him and, just you know, got high, jammed a little bit and he was like it made an impression on him. I guess that's one of the things that he always tells me. You know, we get together and hang out and he was like you know, I still remember that day. You came over and we thought, because you guys were the second system, you were going to be all you know, cocksmokes or whatever. But you guys are very down to earth and you made me feel welcome as a human, you know. And Jordan had always felt like family in the band, as is any member, any member who's ever come and gone, whether they were here while Troll was here or not, they still feel like family to the point to where hell.

Speaker 4:

We had a show a couple of years ago where we invited every past member to jump on stage with us and do a show and do songs that they didn't write or they weren't on with the recording.

Speaker 4:

And I mean and it was, it was a cool moment that a lot of bands don't get to enjoy.

Speaker 4:

You know, having Troll on stage with Mark or having Troll on stage with Kyle, megan on stage with Pat and these members were never in the band together, but you know the ability that they all had to be able to get on stage, put their egos aside and work together.

Speaker 4:

It was it was, like I said a magic that I noticed that a lot of other bands don't get to enjoy that and appreciate that, and that's something that I'm thankful for and always grateful for the fact that a lot of the musicians who have always been in this band I don't think there's been one slouch and any of the member that we, any member that's ever been in this band for any length of time, whether it was a short period or a long period, they were always very talented, they were always very gifted and there was something about them that made their time here worth it and work worthwhile. You know they may have, they may have left with some some bad circumstances or circumstances to where you know we can't work together anymore for whatever reason, but at the same time, I don't not appreciate being with anybody that's ever been in this band.

Speaker 5:

I appreciate it. Derek was the person that started the goddamn band. Derek is the one person who has always been in the fucking band. Yeah, yeah, I'm the.

Speaker 4:

I'm the only guy who's always been consistent yeah, from beginning to end. You know, if the rest of the band got together and did a show without me, I don't think they would call it the second system.

Speaker 5:

I don't know what they would call it.

Speaker 4:

No, I want to do it now.

Speaker 5:

Oh, you want to do it now? Hell yeah, I want to see Mario Moschetta, oh.

Speaker 4:

I want to see how that works out. I'd love to watch. I'd love to watch the second system. I've never gotten to see the second system. I'll see if Mark Gantagaske wants to do it. Yeah, I've never gotten a chance to see the second system, so I'm going to put it out there.

Speaker 5:

I'm going to put it out there. Hey, I'm putting together a second system show. I need a guitar player to replace Derek. Who wants to audition? And see who's got the balls to show up.

Speaker 4:

That's funny, I feel like.

Speaker 5:

I'm going to do that.

Speaker 4:

I think it was the second system.

Speaker 5:

And it's like no, no, no, you can't control it. No, no, you have to do a Derek impression. And you get to choose if you want to do long hair, derek hat wearing Derek or bald headed Derek.

Speaker 4:

Then there's you got to break it down into bald fat Derek or bald skinny Derek.

Speaker 5:

Right, right, right, we got a whole lot man oh man, the category just opened up, bro man this could be the whole band.

Speaker 3:

You should get like the whole band, just like different personas of Derek.

Speaker 4:

One thing that would be consistent is all the personas will have severe stage fright to where they throw up before they get on stage. It's funny because you were talking about it earlier, dan. You know how you know our personas take over once the lights go on, that stage fright that I feel every show disappears the second we start. But right before we go on that, first that, five minutes before I know we're taking stage, man, I'm so nervous, I'm terrified, horrible, halfway to the first song it's like fuck it, let's go.

Speaker 4:

And what's what's funny is I don't feel that fear playing with any other band. I've been in redburn, I've played. I played with shadow people. Now I'm in a mega death tribute band called reckoning day. I've played with blackout. I've played with failed society. I've played with the Matt Ryan band. I played in a country band too. We got to open for Brad Paisley. So I've done a lot of good things with a lot of good acts. That did other big stuff, you know. But I never felt that fear, that tension that I get right before I get on stage with the second system. You know in any, in any configuration of the band that that fear takes hold of me for some reason. I'm a copset, you know. I throw up and or I'll gag the second. We get on and the lights dim down and it's time to get out from it.

Speaker 5:

But yeah, that's like a transformation right there.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, it's like. It's like we find a way to let the universe take over, and it is what it is. I mean, there's been shows where we get on stage with absolutely no rehearsal whatsoever, when we haven't played together for years or months, and we're like, fuck, this is going to suck, we're going to fuck this up because other bands require rehearsal. And then we get on stage and somehow we just let the universe take over and it just happens and we're like, wow, did that happen like that? I didn't really pull that off that. I didn't expect myself to play that well, let alone you, or you or you know, and that's one of the blessings that we've always had, you know any member of the time trying to call me.

Speaker 5:

I wonder if I can answer it.

Speaker 4:

Probably not sending the link and time to come on here.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we still got a few more minutes.

Speaker 4:

So yeah, tell them to come on, come on say hi real quick. But, yeah, any member in this band, he'll come back. But any member of this band has always been worth their weight as a band member and I appreciate all of them. You know, whether or not they know it or not, if they're watching tonight, you know I, like I said all of them, whether I could still play music with them or not, their place in this band meant something and it stayed here and you know we we as a band, past, present, all of the members always appreciate that and I love them all.

Speaker 5:

What.

Speaker 3:

Right. Yeah, it's just it's just, it's just crazy, how like, how things, just like it comes, how things just come together.

Speaker 4:

Well, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 3:

And like you just found, like it's pretty much a thing in this family.

Speaker 4:

Yeah Right, let me ask you a question real quick. Can you recall your first time seeing us play?

Speaker 3:

Uh, I don't know, I can't. I can't recall it was a. If it was, it was a very long time ago, Right.

Speaker 4:

And.

Speaker 3:

I don't think, I don't think Troll was in the. Troll was not in the band at the time, Right.

Speaker 4:

Right, so it was that long ago.

Speaker 3:

Because Troll was still forward. So it's off of the cause.

Speaker 4:

Yeah Right, but even though it was that long ago, it was still something that you held on to in your memory. And I mean, and there's bands you've probably seen, you don't remember from that long ago. You don't remember their names. You know, there's something about us that stuck out in your memory and we're lucky to be able to do that for a lot of people, and I'm still glad that people remember us from at one point or another and appreciate us the way we appreciate them and their efforts to keep us, you know, in their hearts, joyfully, I don't know. I'm just in a grateful mood, right?

Speaker 3:

now Right.

Speaker 5:

It's awesome, we your bed.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, when, when, when you're doing something you love and you take it seriously and you start to realize that people are appreciating it, and it makes you, it makes you realize that you know what you're, what you're doing for all that time you're doing all this stuff for free, you're still doing for free, you're grinding it out and all this, and it's just you finally get to realize that, okay, people are appreciating it. Now You're like you're getting to that point where you actually realize that this could become a reality, like it's not no longer a pipe dream, it's becoming reality. Well, I mean and, and and oh yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4:

I was just going to say, I mean, and that that kind of reassurance is worth more than any money we could make. You know, whenever we go out and we see bands or people in bands that are doing things that they weren't doing at the time but they still remember who we are. For example, astray, you know Astray, the rapper from Saginaw. He works for Slim Shady Records. He's doing great out there. Mike Spitz is also doing very well. These were guys that we were grinding with 20 years ago in the wise guys bar scene and hanging out and just. And these guys are doing great big things right now and they still look at us like, wow, when are you guys going to do another show? You know they give us a certain respect that we don't expect.

Speaker 4:

You know, troll, the friends with the singer from King. You know I, king is obviously a band that has gone through and gone and done some things, and yet whenever their lead singer sees troll, he's like, hey, what's up? Troy, you know, and we stick out in people's minds and I don't know why, but I'm glad of it and I appreciate that and I appreciate you, dan, for having us on here too and making time for us and everything. And you know, hometown homies, whatever we go back, you know way back, even though we haven't hung out in a long time, you know it's a, it's still good. It feels like, you know. It feels like we picked up right where we left off, you know.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's. It's kind of like I don't know, I don't want to, like it's. It's hard to explain. Um, like I don't drink anymore. I'm 12 years sober, like I don't, I haven't, I haven't had a drink in, and I think 13 years last September, so be Congratulations. It's like I try not to go out, you know, because the temptation is there and everything I like. I like to go out and have fun, but it's just without drinking. It's, it's not, it's I don't want to say it's not fun anymore, it's just that it's. I don't know. It's more obnoxious because people are drunk, but it's okay, but I get that. And, uh, you know a lot of friends, you know a lot of friends fell off. I fell off, I stopped talking to a lot of people and I'm trying to get back to where I used to be, because now I think I I'm strong enough to work at that point where I can actually hang out with my old friends and all that stuff from now on.

Speaker 4:

And it is it's just like.

Speaker 3:

It's just like when you stop talking to someone and like what, 12 years, 10, 12, 13 years have gone by, and then you talk to them the next day and it's right back where you left off. It's like that's that's true friendship and that's pretty much in my eyes and that's that's great to have.

Speaker 4:

Right, and you get that from people being genuine. You know, you know nobody being pretentious and trying to pretend to be somebody, those pretend people, those are the ones you get. You know where they're like. Oh um wait, which persona am I going to be right now? And you know you don't have to be there to be yourself. And you know I appreciate the fact that you know you're, you're you and a lot of people are still able to be that way with us. You know, I know Troll sees this too. We see people out. There are constituents in the music scene. You know they're being their persona to everybody else. And then they see us and they stop and go. They break character for a minute and they're just like oh Harry, what's up?

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

You know we all break character together and you know, but at the same time you know still being our genuine selves and it's very much appreciated and understood that that's what's got to, that's what's got to happen in the world. Man, people be themselves more and we could all get along a hell of a lot better. Man, accepting of ourselves and accepting of each other, yeah, Words of wisdom here on the day.

Speaker 3:

I'm lovely show accepting.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You can't accept other people until you accept who you are first.

Speaker 1:

That's right.

Speaker 3:

And smoke weed. They smoke a lot of weed, yeah.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, smoke the weed, don't, don't, don't drink the firewater, don't drink the firewater.

Speaker 3:

I'll drink to that.

Speaker 1:

Oh.

Speaker 3:

Well, yeah, we are running out of time, guys. I do want to thank you guys for coming on and as short notice, and yeah, we just kind of threw this episode together and it turned out to be a fantastic one, as always.

Speaker 4:

Thank you again.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, thank you, guys for coming on and be so.

Speaker 4:

yeah, next Friday or next Saturday, from October 7th at the vault. October 7th at the vault what no? October 7th at the vault. We're going to be with my team.

Speaker 3:

Nice, but yeah check them out at the vault guys next Saturday, so yep.

Speaker 4:

Thank you guys for coming on. Thank you, dan we appreciate you.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, not a problem. Anytime guys, anytime you want to come back on us, let me know.

Speaker 4:

Right on, right on. You got it, my man.

Speaker 3:

How that's boy. See you guys later. Yeah, second sister coming on, saginaw's very own second system. Friends from way back. You know, we're just trying to make it. It's just funny how people like that are on the same path, just kind of mesh together and we kind of just find each other in the universe and it happens that way. I don't know A firm believer and positive energy and all that good stuff.

Speaker 3:

And speaking of which, check out our new podcast about the job, me and two other friends. We got Drew PM from Take Money Productions and Job Blaze from the Cloud Chronicles. We have joined forces and became the Illuminati Ice Cream. So come and check that out. Three friends talking about conspiracy theories with a little bit of comedy thrown in. Who knows, who knows what will happen. It's just going to be great. We're going to try it out. But yeah, check us out next week. Next week I do have the host of the Screamin' Chewie Show, chewie, coming in and he's going to kick it with me for a little bit. But until then, I'll see you guys next week. Love you guys, stay up, peace.

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